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we have seen them run the deficit . medicare. when you see the american people paying on average. 115 million a year and getting something 300 mill or 300,000, benefits in their life. we have to do something about the fee for service program and get it a defined benefit and we have to reform and preserve mandatory spending programs. >> one of the things you are best at as a communicator of the republican party. what do you tell people who are worried about republicans or democrats might do in congress that would put their security in jeopardy? >> first and foremost, we are not talking about making change for current seniors or those 10 years from going in. but we have to do something for someone like myself who is 51 or those programs will not be there. we are talking 10-12 years of solvencey between social security and medicare. we have to be adults and leaders and say we have a program and we'll bring viable solutions to future generations. >> we are grateful you joined us this afternoon. thank you, congressman west. >> thank y
we have seen them run the deficit . medicare. when you see the american people paying on average. 115 million a year and getting something 300 mill or 300,000, benefits in their life. we have to do something about the fee for service program and get it a defined benefit and we have to reform and preserve mandatory spending programs. >> one of the things you are best at as a communicator of the republican party. what do you tell people who are worried about republicans or democrats might...
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. >> is a big deal because the way you eliminate a trillion dollar deficit is a billion dollars at a time. the wavy you get a billion dollars is 100 million or $10 llion at a time. so what is our excuse? can we say that it is okay to waste money and hundreds of thousands of small areas that add upo trillions of dollars? or do we have to look at big areas? what i would put forward is congress isn't doing their job and how they write it and oversight it. i still pick up anyof my feet on the ground because the penny is were 3.5 cents. anyone in america who is struggng today, we don't have the luxury of ignoring stupidity and waste anymore. charles: i have less than a minute. i have to squeeze this in here. you think we could be a transitional tranormative point in thisscountry where it is okay? where it is okay to spend money we don't have? where the american public has given a thum-up to the idea? >> i do not think that they have given a thumbs up. i think this last election was about what was what will hurt our growth. but nothing in terms of discussion about the money that gets waste
. >> is a big deal because the way you eliminate a trillion dollar deficit is a billion dollars at a time. the wavy you get a billion dollars is 100 million or $10 llion at a time. so what is our excuse? can we say that it is okay to waste money and hundreds of thousands of small areas that add upo trillions of dollars? or do we have to look at big areas? what i would put forward is congress isn't doing their job and how they write it and oversight it. i still pick up anyof my feet on the...
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they don't care about deficits. they care about flattening the tax code so lower income people pay more. >> that's the dirty little secret. thank you. i wish we had more time. we don't. >>> next, sheldon walking the corridors of congress? what? i wonder if $150 million buys you a key to the speaker's office. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a month. open enrollment ends december 7th. so call today or visit your local wa
they don't care about deficits. they care about flattening the tax code so lower income people pay more. >> that's the dirty little secret. thank you. i wish we had more time. we don't. >>> next, sheldon walking the corridors of congress? what? i wonder if $150 million buys you a key to the speaker's office. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin...
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his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >> it was on the table. did the president agree to it? it may have been close to an agreement to it. if he agreed to it we might not have some problem today. >> is that on the table now. of course, it's on the table. >> no, is it on the table from their point of view. >> well, there are a lot of items on the table. the president knows what they are. the question is what are they willing to do. >> you are starting it have some political problems because you are starting to have some split necessary your ranks. i don't have to tell you one of the top
his own deficit reduction commission. he knows what our proposals are, he knows what we are throwing do. what we don't know, chris, is what is the president willing to do? >> well, let me ask you specifically about that. is it true, because it's been said but we've never seen a piece of paper; it true that the president offered to raise the eligibility age for medicare and to slow cost of living adjustments for social security what you were in your debt talks in august ofs2011. >>...
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when you think about it, the deficits cast, ove a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it i nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you'rtalking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are getting older, living longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing ralistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is great to talk with you. i hope he will come back soon and often. amazing, as you saw. editorial cartoonist. up next ralph nader headlines a triumvirate of angry liberals over the weekend. we will have that straigh
when you think about it, the deficits cast, ove a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it i nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you'rtalking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is...
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don't think we have a president that is serious about getting our debt under control and getting our deficit, which the federal government spending under control, especially when you understand that we have fha in trouble, we have the post office in trouble, we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff. and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president calvin coolidge did and president jfk did, john f. kennedy did when they went in and lowered tax rates and you increase revenues which is exactly what we're talking about. >> were you-- did you feel like it was a bait and switch from president obama from what you'd heard about in the campaign and light on the details, but that's one of the things i've heard from members of congress that they thought, wait a second, that's not at all what you thought was going to happen. >> yeah, you're absolutely right. what you see happening right now, dana, is really the art of politics, versus the science of good policy and i think we need to move away from campaign mode and we need to do the things tha
don't think we have a president that is serious about getting our debt under control and getting our deficit, which the federal government spending under control, especially when you understand that we have fha in trouble, we have the post office in trouble, we continue to get closer to this incredible fiscal cliff. and i think that the president should take a case study analysis and look at what president calvin coolidge did and president jfk did, john f. kennedy did when they went in and...
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that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this wl be the president's fourth for whh he is personally responsible, fourth deficit in excess of a trillion dollars. president obama wants to plug that trillion dollars hole by raising taxes on household incomes, as we all know that have incomes over $250,000. the top 2%. that would bring in $802 million, $82 billion. that's about 8% of that deficit. so does that suggest we have a tax problem or, perhaps, a spending problem? think about this. taxpayers making more than $250,000 representin the top 2% paid more than 46% of all texas. that would seem like a pretty fair deal to most of us, but the president says it is not fair. we don't know what that number is. how much should it be? and contrary to what the president would have you believe as he campgns untack sites all around the country and against the wealthy, he's doing a lot of that. the bush tax rates are not the root of our problems. in fact, individual tax payments rose, get this, $2,303,000,000,000 or 26%. over the past two
that leaves us with the deficit of one. that is the deficit. sizable it is. this wl be the president's fourth for whh he is personally responsible, fourth deficit in excess of a trillion dollars. president obama wants to plug that trillion dollars hole by raising taxes on household incomes, as we all know that have incomes over $250,000. the top 2%. that would bring in $802 million, $82 billion. that's about 8% of that deficit. so does that suggest we have a tax problem or, perhaps, a spending...
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and that social security has nothing to do with the deficit. it is solvent and until 2037. medicare is solvent until 2024. you think where we're at, i know as i listen then the question would the republicans get anything, i don't even want to use the word conceding coming together on behalf of the american people where 62% believe on november 6th when the race was over the vote was really on whether or not should be a fair tax burden on those --. melissa: i'll give that to you. let's go ahead and raise taxes. say we do that. that doesn't get us close to solving the problem. i mean we still have $16.3 trillion in debt. we are still running $4 billion a day beyond what we're making. we this huge problem in this country. if it was a house you would throw uppyour arms in distress say, my god, we can never pay all these bills. that is sort of the point. >> i'm not in distress on that. first of all with the tax rrlief for 98% of the americans, we'll turn a reasoned amount of a trillion upwards back into the treasury. that is the first step. secondarily, a lot of economists will m
and that social security has nothing to do with the deficit. it is solvent and until 2037. medicare is solvent until 2024. you think where we're at, i know as i listen then the question would the republicans get anything, i don't even want to use the word conceding coming together on behalf of the american people where 62% believe on november 6th when the race was over the vote was really on whether or not should be a fair tax burden on those --. melissa: i'll give that to you. let's go ahead...
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the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past. when americans are better off, they pay more in taxes. the government can pay for the usual things and pay down the debt. president clinton, the surplus, he got that partly from raising revenue. raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became no big deal and then the debt was gone and the debt clocks that were supposed to be scary got shut off. that was because of prioritizing economic growth and being willing to raise revenues. look when we started growing again after the recession. it was not long after the stimulus kicked in. the government spent money and the economy grew. that's how it works. that's why it used to be a beltway consensus when the economy needed to grow, you needed economic stimulus in terms of your fiscal policy. now the discussion about how we need to make sure we contract the economy and cause as much pain as pos
the deficit, nobody wants there to be a deficit, but that's not the pressing need we've got as a nation. growing the economy, frankly, is the only way we have gotten rid of red ink in the past. when americans are better off, they pay more in taxes. the government can pay for the usual things and pay down the debt. president clinton, the surplus, he got that partly from raising revenue. raising taxes. but also he did it in a way that grew the economy and the nation prospered and the debt became...
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equation, besides allowing him to retain his approach, which is continuing to spend and rack up massive deficits and continuing higher taxes without any plan that bears that out. remember that his budget hikes taxes and still spends $47 trillion over the next 10 years. gerri: to that point, you look at the approval rating now going down for the first time since the election at 49 i think it tells you something. maybe american people are looking at this and it looks a whole lot like campaigning to me. it is like the election never happen. we are still campaigning on the campaign trail. today in pennsylvania, talking about what needs to be done. shouldn't he be in the whit house hosting the negotiations himself instead of sending his foot soldier, timothy geithner, the fellow who put together the biggest bailout in american history? talking about someone who is going to be good at negotiating on our taxpayer dollars. i would think that timothy geithner s not the man we met i would agree withyou. this is actually shocking. i'm going to say that the president won, no contest there. can we get past t
equation, besides allowing him to retain his approach, which is continuing to spend and rack up massive deficits and continuing higher taxes without any plan that bears that out. remember that his budget hikes taxes and still spends $47 trillion over the next 10 years. gerri: to that point, you look at the approval rating now going down for the first time since the election at 49 i think it tells you something. maybe american people are looking at this and it looks a whole lot like campaigning...
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we go the to 2010, 2011, 2012 it adds up close to where our deficit is. neil: a very good pnt. i wish we had more time. b s little time. more after ts. i ierrupt, you interrupt, and i ierrupt, you interrupt, and then you sende all sorts of you know how painful hearn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps blocktomach acid from splashing up- relievinghe pain quickly. t fast, long lasting gaviscon®. relievinghe pain quickly. 7,000 students droout every school day. that's a line of desks more than 4 miles long. keep students in school. visit boostup.org and take the firsttep. >> rememr the-mails abouttmy interruptions? i read it through of flurry of commons that interru y too much. that dot dozens of peopl fired . for thospeople w rate the mean matte are not. >> i love you bled if interrupting people was money would be a millionaire. >> how couldnybody
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. >> they instigated deficit reduction it has been tough times, britain with a double dip recession this year, so, it is all about shared sacrifice, everyone from the queen, doing their bit. neil: does the queen sacrifice? >> she seen as not taking -- but all about everybody on the budget. then you have starbucks that found out, you can't move the starbucks in britain, taking away a lot of traditional british tea shops have you starbucks. it has moved in over a third of coffee shops are starbucks. past 14 years starbucks paid lesser than 1% in corporate tax rates. neil: in britain. is it legal? >> it is legal, but the loopholes have to close, to be fair to starbucks, they realized this is p, suicide, they said we do need to pay more, it will be interesting whether google and amazon will follow. neil: i am not a fan of any company that is charges $7 for a cup of coffee. it has to be made out of gold. then you could not drink it i am wondering. it seems to me, there is a disproportionate emphasis on raising taxes, the rate they brought to $55, they over did the fees, and charges and excise
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so of course we can't raise enough taxes to completely deal with the deficit. and you do have to do reforms. you need to reform the tax system. you certainly need to make additional cuts. i do want to remind you though, that we have already voted on one trillion dollars of cuts, cuts that would cause great pain. i agree what you 100%. it can not be done. melissa: spending cutting numbers are even smaller than the tax numbers. they don't get us there either. i'm worried about stalling the economy. in the meantime when we talk about raising taxes and what it would do to small business. democrats like to point out we would only raise taxes on 3% of small business owners. >> right. melissa: but that 3% generates 50% of the income from small business. so they're hiring the majority of people. to me that is going to cost us jobs. >> well, you know what? i think that what will cost us jobs for sure is if we go off thissfiscal cliff, because it is not just about raising tacks. it is also about the debt ceiling. it is about unemployment insurance. we have number of key
so of course we can't raise enough taxes to completely deal with the deficit. and you do have to do reforms. you need to reform the tax system. you certainly need to make additional cuts. i do want to remind you though, that we have already voted on one trillion dollars of cuts, cuts that would cause great pain. i agree what you 100%. it can not be done. melissa: spending cutting numbers are even smaller than the tax numbers. they don't get us there either. i'm worried about stalling the...
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last i looked at the trade deficit, we were, again, lagging and uke sucking popped water. there's a rising deficit stripping our gdp. >> and right now europe is in a relatively deep recession. we're still above water. lou: you jumped all over the punch line because you talk about things not making sense. folks, this is not making sense. i'm delighted because people have wealth left in the equities market, the bond market. how long will that be the case if we go over the cliff? >> won't be the case for long if we have a recession followed by a typical bear market. lou: how long to get to recession -- >> we can get there pretty quick. in fact, some of the down downdrafts are starting to form. we saw those in the q3 gdp numbers were sinking into @%ntraction. lou: 2.7 -- >> employment reports gnar november and december, not surprised if gains in private sector payrolls are well over 100,000 new jobs. lou: that would not be good. baseline at least, i think, for passable is 125. what's your judgment? >> about the same, okay, that's a c-minus grade, get a "c" if we hit 150. lou:
last i looked at the trade deficit, we were, again, lagging and uke sucking popped water. there's a rising deficit stripping our gdp. >> and right now europe is in a relatively deep recession. we're still above water. lou: you jumped all over the punch line because you talk about things not making sense. folks, this is not making sense. i'm delighted because people have wealth left in the equities market, the bond market. how long will that be the case if we go over the cliff? >>...
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now they're moving to a deficit of 16.3 billion is the projection. that sound pretty bleak to me. what happened? >> well, you know we're talking about a portfolio of well over a trillion dollars. and $16 billion is a huge number but it is really driven by the fact that house prices are not recovering as quickly as previously thought. and one thing that is very interesting in this acutarial is actually the loans originated in 2010, 11 and 12 are expected to be profitable and actually help the fund. but it is loans that were done during the really bad years in this country before the housing crisis that are continuing to have the shadow effect on the fha portfolio and that what's driving this loss expectation just recently released and secretary donovan talked about today. melissa: there is evidence they continue to make bad bets going forward. this is part of this program to help people buy houses and help people who have low fico scores and who have had problems in their past. maybe their way of doing business, and you're someone who sat at the helm for a long time, maybe their wa
now they're moving to a deficit of 16.3 billion is the projection. that sound pretty bleak to me. what happened? >> well, you know we're talking about a portfolio of well over a trillion dollars. and $16 billion is a huge number but it is really driven by the fact that house prices are not recovering as quickly as previously thought. and one thing that is very interesting in this acutarial is actually the loans originated in 2010, 11 and 12 are expected to be profitable and actually help...
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does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth during this past decade. we're finally now after ten straight years of manufacturing job decline hitting places like toledo and cleveland and cincinnati particularly hard, we're seeing now in the last two years after the auto rescue, after we're doing some of the right things here, we're seeing job growth. i agree with what nancy pelosi said. history improves itself. >> so based on history, this is about math and not ideology. the sense i get on the hill today, if you don't get the rate increase, you can forget everything else. >> we have seen in this country a decline in infrastr
does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth...
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so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we see and hear about the fact this two-step plan getting something done for the middle class by the end of the year, does this set up the scenario we live in a perpetual state of fiscal cliff loopness, this is the same old dog and pony show every six months to a year fighting over the same things and not big, bold leadership? >> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to president obama and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending
so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we...
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i increased the size of the debt and the deficit. i got everything i wanted. the place is a mess. and look, i got re-elected. so, you know, what's so hard about me continuing to do that and blaming it on them because obviously i'm very good at that. and that's basically where he's going here. and the republicans, i think, are not very good poker players. first of all they signaled that they are kind of really reluctant to go over the cliff, and i think if you are in this kind ever a showdown you have to say, you know, bring it. come on. >> you'll do it. they will get blamed for it, though, if that happens. there's no question. the president is already signaling that. that wouldn't be a pleasant outcome for them. would you say they should suggest to the president they would be willing to do that and then maybe he would give 2nd end? >> i think they have to show that he is in negotiations and that he has to give and they are willing to give and if they just say we are so afraid of getting blamed for that, of course he's going to roll right over them. >> kim, where do you think the r
i increased the size of the debt and the deficit. i got everything i wanted. the place is a mess. and look, i got re-elected. so, you know, what's so hard about me continuing to do that and blaming it on them because obviously i'm very good at that. and that's basically where he's going here. and the republicans, i think, are not very good poker players. first of all they signaled that they are kind of really reluctant to go over the cliff, and i think if you are in this kind ever a showdown...
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as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing the hands of future administrations. lots of crazy things happen when there are no rules. for a long time, there were no rules. >> not to mention, you use a credit discount rate for pension, liabilities. i will say, first states have cut spending but they have to cut way more according to to gao, they have to cut at least 13% every year. their reason is, one of the things we should not forget is one of the things we should do when times are good is actually save money. >> yes. >> it's not what states have done. when time was good, they were spending, spending, spending and spending. in fact, states, when private gdps gr
as a result, my pred ases sors built up a deficit that wasn't reported as part of the deficit i dealt with. >> the bus is running over and other and over. >> it was a series, this happened over a 20-year period time. >> right. >> you don't report under gap. you extend the fiscal year for income out but shorten it for payments or income in, payments out. you do all kind of crazy things. enter into a 20-year transaction for state employees that guarantee benefits, tieing...
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there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last year when they raised the debt ceiling would be better than doing nothing. it's separate from the ougautomc tax increase that happens on january 1. our preferred strategy here would be to accept the sequester now knowing that congress is not going to do something more rational. they're not going to take on more fundamental spending reforms and push off increasing taxes. and let's have a ration conversation about fundamental tax reform in the first six months of next year. nothing congress does in this panic is going to be rational public policy regardless of ideology. >> isn't it fair to say no matter what,
there is an interesting coalition, if you will, of very conservative deficit hawks and very liberal deficit hawks, if you will, who might come together and say, you know what, let the country go off the cliff. lack at those five-year projections. isn't this about short term versus long term? what do you say and what do you think your members would say? >> the best thing is to do something our spending problem and barring anything else, doing the automatic cuts that congress promised last...
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how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, along side that we're prepared to do some very detailed things on the spending side, and we're -- >> there's no guarantee, right? didn't that say that? at least according to the read-out we got, your plan, so you can feel free to connect direct e correct me because you haven't given me a read-out of it. >> guaranteed up front measurable savings scored by sea enacted into law. the only guarantee is when congress enacts policies. >> you would be willing to go for specific things and guarantee that there would be a specific amount of cuts? >> of course, of course. >> but that's next year? >>
how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trillion over ten years. there's no possibility that we're going to find a way to get our fiscal house in order without those tax rates going back up. again, along...
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as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted effort from the white house is very clear. here's white house press secretary jay carney. >> what will produce a deal is an acknowledgement by republicans, republican leaders, that rates on the top 2%, the wealthiest americans, have to rise. there is no deal without that acknowledgement, and without a concrete, mathematically sound proposal -- >> but speaker boehner still insists he can get the revenue without raising rates? >> now, the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> some conservatives just can't stand hear
as i've indicated, the only way to get the kind of revenue for a balanced deficit reduction plan is to make sure that we're also modestly increasing rates for people who can afford it. folks like me. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> the concerted effort from the white house is very clear. here's white house press secretary jay carney. >> what will produce a deal is an acknowledgement by...
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we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and balanced is what we need. >> congresswoman diane black, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in our political power panel. political reporter, karen tumult, karen finney and robert trainam. karen, since i know you the best, i'm going to call you k-fin as not to confuse everyone. it seems the taxes are going to go up on the wealthy. the question is whether or not it's through the tax increases or closing the loopholes and the deductions. so do you think that we are closer to a deal today than yesterday if. >> i do. in that now they're puttin
we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and...
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. >> this is not about getting a handle on deficits or debt for him. it's about spending even more than he has. >> white house aids reject the republican claims that holding the debt limit over the president's head is the only mechanism to get him to trim spending. >> you're just going to keep at the debt limit goes higher, you spend more money. you and congress, both. >> that's false. president signed into law a trillion dollars in discretionary cuts. the president has a specific proposal to achieve $600 billion in savings from entitlement programs like health care entitlement programs. >> jay compared republican pressure on the debt ceiling to a hostage taking. >> a profoundly bad idea that i think could not be more frightening for american businesses, and american workers. >> treasury secretary tim geithner may have frightened people yesterday saying the white house is prepared to go off the fiscal cliff unless republicans bend on taxes. a comment by former democratic potential candidate howard deen frighted republicans that the debate is not just a
. >> this is not about getting a handle on deficits or debt for him. it's about spending even more than he has. >> white house aids reject the republican claims that holding the debt limit over the president's head is the only mechanism to get him to trim spending. >> you're just going to keep at the debt limit goes higher, you spend more money. you and congress, both. >> that's false. president signed into law a trillion dollars in discretionary cuts. the president has...
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being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we're in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem. but they look add solution, they said it can't be too big of a problem if you are waiting 10 years to solve it. neil: rick santorum, always a prez eapleasure senator. hardest working senator. >> hard work does payoff, it does. neil: just a few moments, senator jim demint on why he is taking a sprint. is the tea party's loudest voice in the senate leaving the tea party high and dry? he is hereafter this i'm only in my 60's... i've got a nice long le ahead. big plans. medicare doesn't pay all my medical eenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you' eligible for medare, you may know it only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. call now and find out about an aarp medicare supplement iurance plan, insured by
being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we're in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem. but they look add solution, they said it can't be too big of a problem if you are waiting 10 years to solve it. neil: rick santorum, always a prez eapleasure senator. hardest working senator....
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house republican leaders are calling for more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions in their latest effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. the cuts would take effect over a decade's time. they're also proposing to increase the eligibility age for medicare and to lower the cost of living hikes in social security. meanwhile, house democrats are saying mf global play about thely misled finra on the firm's edges pose your the -- exposure to the european debt crisis. the comments are an addendum to the majority staff report on mf global. and research company comscore reports online sales reached nearly $20.5 billion during the first 30 days of the holiday season. tablet computers continue to drive online sales. and now we continue our "countdown to the closing bell" with lori rothman. lori: one hard luck chip maker pushing higher as it announces plans to raise cash. lauren simonetti at the new york stock exchange with this one. lauren? >> reporter: hey, lori. advanced micro devices, it's one of the oldest chip makers, and it's cash strapped. so, essentially, it's going to sell its campus, 58
house republican leaders are calling for more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions in their latest effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. the cuts would take effect over a decade's time. they're also proposing to increase the eligibility age for medicare and to lower the cost of living hikes in social security. meanwhile, house democrats are saying mf global play about thely misled finra on the firm's edges pose your the -- exposure to the european debt crisis. the comments are an addendum to the...
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we all want to reduce the deficit, and if you look at where the tax rates were in the clinton administration with the highest and most sustained economic growth in the history of the country, that's where they went to and maybe there's a compromise there where they wouldn't even go that high, but to say they're not going to expire at all, we'll do what we have been doing, that's an unsustainable position. dennis: all right, you know what? i appreciate it, we have to wrap it up. i appreciate you both came on here together today. thank you very much for being here, and keep working at it. we need your help. >> have a good one. >> thanks. cheryl: more on breaking news from egypt. look at the pictures coming out of cairo. at this point, an estimated 50,000 protesters are in tahrir square chaptering down with morsi and the constitution. he rammed through a referendum, a draft constitution, supposed to be september 15th; we'll see, and groups, parties, just many members of the public in egypt taking part now. we learned moments ago that president morsi left the palace according to a report we just
we all want to reduce the deficit, and if you look at where the tax rates were in the clinton administration with the highest and most sustained economic growth in the history of the country, that's where they went to and maybe there's a compromise there where they wouldn't even go that high, but to say they're not going to expire at all, we'll do what we have been doing, that's an unsustainable position. dennis: all right, you know what? i appreciate it, we have to wrap it up. i appreciate you...
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it isn't even dealing with the deficit problem that needs to be dealt with. as long as they are engaging, something is going to move here. >> molly, the priorities in these plans couldn't be more different with republicans getting almost everything through cuts. how could the white house begin to accept this at any level. are we headed for the cliff? >> the white house doesn't seem to be accepting it. the reaction from the other side seems to be, okay, this is a good start, but let's see something real. you can see, i think, the box that republicans have painted themselves into. i think this offer is sort of a recognition of how little leverage they have. they were being hurt by this perception that they weren't offering specifics and coming to the table. they offered something. it's going to make some conservatives scream with the tax hikes in it, but it's also not seeming to get any traction with democrats who are saying it's not specific enough and doesn't go far enough because it doesn't raise those rates. >> what about the report from abc news? what abou
it isn't even dealing with the deficit problem that needs to be dealt with. as long as they are engaging, something is going to move here. >> molly, the priorities in these plans couldn't be more different with republicans getting almost everything through cuts. how could the white house begin to accept this at any level. are we headed for the cliff? >> the white house doesn't seem to be accepting it. the reaction from the other side seems to be, okay, this is a good start, but...
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being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we' in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem. but they look add solution, they said it can't be too big of a problem if you are waiting 10 years to solve it. neil: rick santorum, always a prez eapleasure senator. hardest working senator. >> hard work does payoff, it does. neil: just a few moments, senator jim demint on why he is taking a sprint. is the tea party's loudest voice in the senate leaving the tea party high and dry? he is hereafter with the spark miles card from capital one, thor gets great rewards for his small business! your boa! [ rth ] thor's small business earns double miles on every pchase, every day! ahh, the new fabrics. put it on my spark card. ow. [ garth ] why settle for less? the spiked heels are working. wait! [ garth ] great businesses deserve great rewards. [ le announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose
being critical of our candidates but they talked about how dire the circumstances are with our economy deficits but they put forward a plan that did not change entitlement for 10 years, if we' in a dire point, how can you say that -- they -- we did not make -- we made the case there is a problem. but they look add solution, they said it can't be too big of a problem if you are waiting 10 years to solve it. neil: rick santorum, always a prez eapleasure senator. hardest working senator. >>...
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we are facing huge deficits and a looming fiscal cliff. i want to come out and say this and help the president get this? >> i use the word patriotism. when i was a kid i grew up in two u.s. internment camps. in the swamps of arkansas. we lived in california. >> you were hauled out there. >> to arkansas and later transferred to another one in northern california. but we were there because we happened to look like the people that bombed pearl harbor. a year into it the government realized there was a wartime manpower shortage. and when the military was opened up. thousands of young japanese americans went to fight for this country. they were put into a segregated unit and fought on the bloody battlefields in europe. and came back the most decorated and exercised something that was very important. they did it for their family certainly, but for the greater good because they loved america. they sacrificed themselves and many many perished on those fields and that is the kind of situation we are faced with now and those republicans can't seem t
we are facing huge deficits and a looming fiscal cliff. i want to come out and say this and help the president get this? >> i use the word patriotism. when i was a kid i grew up in two u.s. internment camps. in the swamps of arkansas. we lived in california. >> you were hauled out there. >> to arkansas and later transferred to another one in northern california. but we were there because we happened to look like the people that bombed pearl harbor. a year into it the...
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, the amount of the deficit itself. as governors we try to find common ground issues that we can bring to the president to speaker boehner, to leader reid to talk about and say, we want to grow our economy. we want to create jobs. we understand these are tough decisions that have to be made. we understand there whim be cuts on the federal side. the states will have a shared responsibility with those cuts. we have some specific things that we have suggested to the president. we'll suggest later on today to congress to give them some ideas of ways we think governors can help and also we think it's important that the governors have a seat at the table because ultimately it's the states that will also feel the effect of what happens in washington, d.c. >> you made that point, governor. i'm curious about the line in the sand for the president, and i'm sure he expressed his thoughts on the tax rate for those who make over $250,000. that revenue is needed. without, i guess, endorsing one plan over the other, where do you stand
, the amount of the deficit itself. as governors we try to find common ground issues that we can bring to the president to speaker boehner, to leader reid to talk about and say, we want to grow our economy. we want to create jobs. we understand these are tough decisions that have to be made. we understand there whim be cuts on the federal side. the states will have a shared responsibility with those cuts. we have some specific things that we have suggested to the president. we'll suggest later...
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obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive, the income of the top 1% has grown by over $700,000, while the average pretax income for the bottom 90% of households has fallen by $900. did you get that. the top 1% up by $700,000, the bottom 90% down by $900. accusing the president of being obsessed is a
obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive,...
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and a $500 billion down payment on the deficit and the debt, i think, is actually a nice piece of certainty for business so that they can plan for 2013 and 2014. it will mean an exceedingly weak first quarter next year, but i think throughout the year economic growth will get stronger. david: well, but, michael, on the other hand, sometimes if i'm certain somebody's dead, that won't bring them back to life. sometimes certainty is not necessarily good news. you say that the market is rather than on the negative side rather than on the positive side, and if we do go over the fiscal cliff, you see possibility of negative figures as low as 4%, right? >> well, let's put all this in perspective. i think what i mentioned earlier was the fact that the s&p is up about 6% since november 16th, and we've run into technical resistance with some the previous people mentioned, and i think the market's just in a period now where it could easily pull back a little bit. if you listen to the rhetoric coming out of washington, we had the everybody gave your hugs after the election, now they're throwing out the
and a $500 billion down payment on the deficit and the debt, i think, is actually a nice piece of certainty for business so that they can plan for 2013 and 2014. it will mean an exceedingly weak first quarter next year, but i think throughout the year economic growth will get stronger. david: well, but, michael, on the other hand, sometimes if i'm certain somebody's dead, that won't bring them back to life. sometimes certainty is not necessarily good news. you say that the market is rather than...
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we need to do something about the deficit. going over the fiscal cliff is the best thing we're going to get out of washington in terms of serious production to the deficit. we will suffer, but we got ourselves into this. we're not going to get out without some pain. i think we are going to go over the cliff. >> let me quickly say i don't favor going over the cliff, but howe regard is right. if you're worried about the deficit, the easiest way is to go over the cliff. you have increases right away. >> yeah. >> can i ask you, though, how can you guarantee e that all the extra tax hikes and provisions actually go towards paying the national debt and not more spending and more programs? >> you can't guarantee that but you have a conservative republican congress. they are not going to vote for any spending increase. why not take advantage of that and make the initial cuts and let them go into a stalemate for awhile. that's a pretty big amount. my sges that provides the certainty. we go back to the clinton tax rates. and we make sig
we need to do something about the deficit. going over the fiscal cliff is the best thing we're going to get out of washington in terms of serious production to the deficit. we will suffer, but we got ourselves into this. we're not going to get out without some pain. i think we are going to go over the cliff. >> let me quickly say i don't favor going over the cliff, but howe regard is right. if you're worried about the deficit, the easiest way is to go over the cliff. you have increases...
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after refusing the proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction mostly through spending cuts, and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> thank you. >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backwards saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayers, the nation will go over the cliff and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck, so the lack of progress has not yet resulted in a market plunge, but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. and, diane, the official deadline for the fiscal cliff is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times square, but there's actually another deadline. the house of representatives is scheduled to go on winter break a week from friday, so really there are only 11 days to work out a plan as of n
after refusing the proposal last week, house republicans offered an outline for $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction mostly through spending cuts, and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> thank you. >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backwards saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayers, the nation will go over the cliff and the...